started
开始
screaming somebody laughed
尖叫，有人
nervously I think some people thought
紧张地笑着，我想有些人以为
May been kids messing about or
可能是孩子们在捣乱什么的，
something then we heard some some more
然后我们听到了一些
noises know we just started looking at
声音，我们开始互相看着对方，想知道
each other like what's going on and it
发生了什么事，然后
just started getting proper loud like
声音开始变得
more it you know it it wasn't clearly it
越来越大，你知道吗 显然
wasn't somebody messing around the
不是有人在胡闹，
escort was with me Adam he he looked at
护送人员和我在一起，亚当，他看着
me and said look stay there and he went
我说，看，呆在那里，然后他去
to go and
investigate I remember going downstairs
调查，我记得下楼
double-sized staircase big Posh
双倍大小的楼梯，大波什
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staircase suddenly just seeing KH
楼梯突然就 看到 KH
started screaming just shouting at him
开始尖叫，只是对他大喊大叫，
like what you doing what's going on sort
就像你在做什么，发生了什么事，
of and then see he's swinging for me now
然后看到他现在向我挥拳，
so I'm just jumping back basically
所以我只是跳回来，基本上
trying to stay out of his way looking
试图避开他，寻找可以
for something to like defend myself
保护自己的东西，
with then the screams continued kept
然后 尖叫声不断
going kept going and so I I just thought
，所以我只是想去
it I go investigate so I jumped
调查一下，所以我
up I remember this quite vividly because
跳了起来，我记得很清楚，因为
I stood up at the exact same time as
我和史蒂夫·加兰斯同时站了起来，
Steve galance stood up and we both ran
我们俩都
across the hall he had a belt on and
跑过大厅，他系着皮带
didn't know if he was going to blow a
不知道他是否会吹
belt and what he was going to do he we
腰带，他要做什么，我们
could already see it but he like just
已经看到了，但他只是
lifted his shirt up a bit more to like
把衬衫掀起来一点，
highlight
突出
it yeah he just said I'm was waiting for
它，是的，他只是说我在等
the police and I'm going to blow it told
警察，我要吹了
him to blow it
他吹了，
in yeah blow it
是的，
in at the top of the stairs I turned and
在楼梯顶部吹了，我转过身，
I instinctively was going to look for
本能地想找点
something to defend myself I passed this
东西来保护自己，我穿过了这条
dimly lit little Corridor and at the end
光线昏暗的小走廊，在走廊尽头，
were these two nearly 2 m long narl
tusks
I saw um somebody stood in the foer with
我看到了两根将近2米长的獠牙。 看到有人站在门厅里，
two big knives in his hands I think
手里拿着两把大刀，我想
about 8 inch knives and you was strapped
大概是8英寸的刀，你被绑在
to his arm with
他的胳膊上，
tap suddenly I I you know I turned to my
突然我，你知道，我
side and there was someone stood next to
转过身，有人站在
me with an all wheel Tusk holding it out
我旁边 一辆全轮 Tusk 把它递给
towards
me there was that moment where Steve and
我，那一刻，史蒂夫和
I just looked at each other in the eyes
我只是看着对方的眼睛，
we never even spoke or anything and I
我们甚至没有说话或做任何事情，我
just offered up the D Tusk and he just
只是把 D Tusk 递给他，他只是
looked at me and he went down for it and
看着我，然后他俯下身去 那
there was kind of this shed experience I
是我
was representing the ministry of Justice
代表司法部的经历，
he was a life sentence prisoner but at
他 终身监禁，但
that time we both had the same common
当时我们都有共同的
goal and that passing of the tusk was
目标，传递象牙就像
like passing of
传递
trust
信任一样。
I was I was 28 years old I was out
当时我 28 岁，
drinking with my friends one night and I
一天晚上，我和朋友出去喝酒，我
received a phone call saying that my
接到了电话 打电话说我的
partner had been
伴侣被
attacked and it was quite a vicious
袭击了，而且是一次相当恶毒的
attack so 9 days later I a friend
袭击，所以 9 天后，我的一个朋友
invited me to go to one of the local
邀请我去当地的一家
pubs another Pub for last orders once I
酒吧，另一家酒吧，当我
got to that Pub um I was told that the
到了那家酒吧，我被告知那
person who had allegedly attacked my
个人 据称袭击我
partner was
伴侣的人
uh inside the
当时在
pub so at this point I'm now
酒吧里，所以现在我
drunk I'm angry he's a violent
喝醉了，我很生气，他是一个暴力的
man you're a violent guy you know this
人，你是一个暴力的人，你知道这
is not going to go down very
不会有什么
well the intention was to give him a
好结果的，目的是给 给他一个
good ad him to get revenge for what I
很好的广告，让他为
allegedly done to to my to my partner
我对我的伴侣所做的事报仇，
and indeed when he came out of the pub
事实上，当他从酒吧出来时，事情就是
that's that's what
这样
happened and he ended up dying as a
发生的，他最终死于
result of
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that if you look at what usand did and
如果你看看 我们做了什么，
look at what I did ultimately both ways
看看我最终做了什么
of living resulted in somebody losing a
导致某人失去
life there's definitely some
生命，这肯定有一些
similarities there in terms of I was
相似之处，因为我
living my life in a certain way and I
以某种方式生活，我
was influenced by certain behaviors
受到某些行为的影响，这些行为使
which blinded me to my own behavior
我对自己的行为视而不见，
thought it was all normal thought it was
认为这一切都是正常的，认为这是
on the right path
正确的道路，
and no doubt Usman khah was completely
毫无疑问，Usman khah
utterly um convinced that he was on the
完全相信自己走在
right path um and she had no no
正确的道路上，她没有任何
hesitation
犹豫，
whatsoever it was just Instinct I guess
这只是本能，我想
was like it was Instinct on the
就像桥上的本能一样，
bridge but hate
但讨厌
violence his stomach just turns I just
暴力，他的胃就翻腾，我只是
hate
讨厌
violence what think it's un necessarily
暴力什么 我认为有时它不一定是
evil sometimes is it obviously
邪恶的，很明显
situations where you've got to defend
你必须保护
yourself or defend people you
自己或保护你
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with I know I was brought up well in one
我知道我在一个我的成长过程中得到了很好的教育，
my
my and still some in me as
但我仍然有一些我的想法，
well it's mad you know cuz I stayed on
这很疯狂，你知道，因为我 留在
that Burgery to try and stop any
汉堡店试图阻止任何
violence
暴力事件
happening got a live sentence for
发生，并因此被判处死刑，
it and then I stayed on the bridge the
然后我留在舰桥上
time stop some violence
阻止一些暴力事件
happening I'm not totally treated
发生，我并没有受到完全
differently but in principle it's the
不同的对待，但原则上，
same sort of decision making if I just
如果我只是
get off and save yourself or do I try
下车自救，还是尝试
and save other
拯救其他
people there both instances detriment to
人 这两种情况都损害了
myself put one I'm considered a head or
我自己，我被认为是一个头，或者
and considered a murderer
被认为是一个凶手，这是
two very different signs of the
coin
硬币的两个非常不同的标志